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Phantasm@phnt@fluffytail.org (2026-07-31 18:19:42)
@SuperDicq @icedquinn @tyil @sun @pwm 


I am one of those people who believes in individual freedom and believes most datacenters should be abolished.


Alright, then how will you deal with the few tier 1 ISPs. They surely care about your individual freedoms and will definitely not nullroute your AS/send angry emails to your ISP when they don't like you. That definitely never happened. Oh wait, HE did that to KF. 

Of course I'm completely ignoring the fact that you need peering exchanges and those all live in DCs. Anyone that says most DCs should be abolished has no idea how the Internet works. Because it's not just about you and your freedoms, but about everyone else and there are many completely valid reasons why you would want to collocate in a DC. 


Also not true. That depends entirely on if your ISP publishes location data or not


Doesn't really matter. You can approximately get the location by timing routes from multiple places and looking at the last hops. That will get you close to the NAT at least. My GeoIP ranges from the same city to a place 80+km away.
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SuperDicq@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo (2026-07-31 18:25:03)
@phnt@fluffytail.org @icedquinn@blob.cat @tyil@fedi.tyil.nl @sun@shitposter.world @pwm@darkdork.dev I know how the internet works. I just think it should work differently. Preferably without ISPs at all.

Also I named colocations for people who can not host things at home for whatever as a valid reason to have a datacenter.

Colocations for actual people = good

Multiple square kilometer Microsoft exclusive hyperscaler = bad

How is that not a reasonable take?

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Phantasm@phnt@fluffytail.org (2026-07-31 18:39:41)
@SuperDicq @icedquinn @tyil @sun @pwm 


I just think it should work differently. Preferably without ISPs at all.


I don't think that is possible, especially without ISPs. Someone has to own the backbone and own the hardware capable of handling tens of terabits while routing it correctly and without extra delays. Your Linux router can't even handle the Internet's full routing table as of now, and it certainly would not be able to deal with the even more fragmented routing without ISPs. Even only without residential/business ISPs. 


Colocations for actual people = good
Multiple square kilometer Microsoft exclusive hyperscaler = bad


The hyperscalers weren't an issue until recently. Before AI it was only AWS and Cloudfed. It's a reasonable take except that most people don't have a need for collocation. Business, even small ones, are the main customers. No need to have huge racks onprem with large HVAC systems, large UPSes and at least 10Gbit fiber when you can move it to a location dedicated specifically for that.