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Ignas Kiela@ignaloidas@not.acu.lt (2026-09-14 22:45:45)
@sun@shitposter.world @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org yes, and I mean it's kinda intentional?

I don't see any value in women-only spaces, just like I don't see any value in men-only spaces or trans-only spaces

If you only/mostly socialize with people that have a certain label, you're building stereotypes and disdain in your mind for people who don't have that label. E.g. see support for migration control vs. number of migrants in Germany - the more people can interact with others, the less hatred there is for them

I'm quite sure that I could show that any argument for women-only spaces can be shown to be parallel to an argument for a racially segregated space
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Blurry Moon@sun@shitposter.world (2026-09-14 22:48:02)
@ignaloidas @taylan I don't know what my opinion on it is tbh, seems like there are benefits to either way. However, you cannot side with feminists and be against women-only spaces, because almost all feminists, and certainly all feminists connected to notable organized feminist movements, completely disagree with you on this. severely.

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Ignas Kiela@ignaloidas@not.acu.lt (2026-09-14 23:00:21)
@sun@shitposter.world @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org I don't really care about that, because I think that opinion is stupid and is counter to the goals.

Exclusion builds disdain from both sides, and I don't think it's in the interest of women to create a divide between them and men. The whole action of wanting exclusion grows from an existing disdain for those with a label, it comes from stereotyping, and exclusion makes it worse.

Take fucking incels for example: it's a group of men who felt excluded by women, and they started excluding women from their group, which meant that women's disdain for them grew and they started excluding them, and it just cyclically repeats with the disdain from both sides growing. The only way to break the cycle is to force the exclusion to stop in some way, so that the disdain can stop growing.

If feminists want this, then I don't want to be with feminists.