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Ignas Kiela@ignaloidas@not.acu.lt (2026-09-14 22:06:39)
@taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org for your own very specific definition of women, of course, because why not also exclude people from that 😉

And no, I in fact do not believe that excluding people by gender is a good solution in any case. It's no different than excluding people by skin color, or religion, or place of birth, etc. This stuff is operating on stereotypes and only stereotypes. If you have to exclude, exclude on based on actions, not based on labels.

It really is just racism in different clothes
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Blurry Moon@sun@shitposter.world (2026-09-14 22:38:38)
@ignaloidas @taylan doesn't this preclude women only spaces completely, no matter how you define woman

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Ignas Kiela@ignaloidas@not.acu.lt (2026-09-14 22:45:45)
@sun@shitposter.world @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org yes, and I mean it's kinda intentional?

I don't see any value in women-only spaces, just like I don't see any value in men-only spaces or trans-only spaces

If you only/mostly socialize with people that have a certain label, you're building stereotypes and disdain in your mind for people who don't have that label. E.g. see support for migration control vs. number of migrants in Germany - the more people can interact with others, the less hatred there is for them

I'm quite sure that I could show that any argument for women-only spaces can be shown to be parallel to an argument for a racially segregated space