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Phantasm@phnt@fluffytail.org (2026-09-02 16:09:08)
@silverpill @graf @kirby @lain @meso @mischievoustomato @p @pernia @pwm Also a fun sidenote. Apparently Mastodon despite it heavily normalizing AP, their databases are size comparable to Pleroma and possibly even bigger. Somewhat recently someone using Mastohost complained that after half a year of running the instance, the DB was already 40GB. So it's not just jsonb = bloat.
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YBG pern@pernia@cum.salon (2026-09-02 16:47:00)
@phnt @mischievoustomato @pwm @kirby @p @lain @silverpill @meso @graf @pernia
yea, the retarded indexes on the jsonb bloat are half the problem. clearly mitra was able to normalize AP activities properly, and because it doesn't need to keep heaps of jsonb around, it stays slim. mastodon might be exceptionally retarded, but pleroma didn't do any better by just doing the opposite thing.
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pistolero@p@fsebugoutzone.org (2026-09-02 20:41:17)
@pernia @phnt @mischievoustomato @pwm @kirby @lain @silverpill @meso @graf @pernia
> pleroma didn't do any better by just doing the opposite thing.
If you learn how to write a program some day, then Pleroma will make sense to you.
Pleroma was able to ship features on the frontend by just having the frontend and backend pass AP objects back and forth, so activities that arrived before there was support for them just got a frontend patch and suddenly they worked. This is what allowed Pleroma, with a smaller and more talented team, to cope with Mastodon just throwing shit at the wall. Mastodon implements something retarded and Pleroma doesn't break and can often get retroactive support for activities/objects and in way less time than it took Mastodon to either ignore or kowtow to the people that felt unsafe.
I don't think anyone is going to claim that Pleroma did everything right, but the design was very thoughtful and it evidently came from people working under real constraints that thought hard about the network and cared about the network.