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Blurry Moon@sun@shitposter.world (2026-08-07 09:22:17)
@nyx @winterklaus you would know better than me for sure, I have read it but I still only have a surface reading of it which is that even halfway capitulation to a capitalist economy still basically makes you friendly to fascism
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kill bot@ug@brain.worm.pink (2026-08-07 09:49:40)
@sun @nyx @winterklaus 

Yeah the context is very specific and important, one must keep in mind during the 2nd international up until 1917 all of the marxists were 'social democrats' -- the Bolshevicks were part of the All Russian Social Democratic Party -- and the SPD was truly a mass party that included the majority of the german voting population, WWI comes around the SPD support the war by and large, being bootlicking Germans. When the War is lost the leftwing of the party breaks off, start the German Communist Party, who are then crushed by the Friekorps and betrayed by the SPD establishment. Lenin was talking about the german Komunistes in *Left wing Socialism: a an infantile disorder* for basically jumping the gun trying to go full revolution when the conditions were yet ripe. 

So Wiemar is established as an truce between the right of the SPD and the conservatives, and the Stalinist/Comintern line about "social fascism" that's a reference to this state of affairs, that the Social Democrats were at best reformists and liberals at worst. In the late 20's there were calls for a united front between Social Democrats and Komunists against nazis which the Comintern opposed using that "Social Fascist" line. 

In retrospect this was clearly, obviously, the wrong line lmao, but interesting to note that the Comintern took the exact opposite line in reference to Spain 36' where they called for a united front with petite bourgeois liberals and denounced the ultras and anarchists for being wreckers. Also the wrong line in retrospect. 

What I take from that is that there is no such thing as a trans-historical correct position, sometimes you gotta ally yourself with socdems, other times not so much. You gotta do the whole 'concrete analysis of concrete conditions' and not just repeat cliches by rote, as Lenin was always saying.

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kill bot@ug@brain.worm.pink (2026-08-07 09:55:08)
@sun @nyx @winterklaus cuck philosophy did an exellent documentary series on the german revolution few years back, lots of parallels to US today actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-EWxPyIf4