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renellen@subnetter@shitposter.world (2026-09-29 10:19:07)
@mischievoustomato @theorytoe @sam 

Matrix is objectively shit compared to XMPP if your use-case is based on E2EE and maintaining a low profile. If you want to use a glorified chat protocol, sure.

Now host Matrix yourself, and get back to me on what that's like.
---Reply--- alle_yoj813@theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe (2026-09-29 10:38:11) @subnetter @mischievoustomato @sam
>E2EE
doesnt work on either service
unless everyone runs conversations and has accounts on conversations.im
or snikket

matrix hosting sucks, xmpp sucks a tiny bit less but still sucks (and this is prosody im talking about (yes I have hosted both, they suck) (notice the 'ed'))

either service is less painful if you dont federate and all use the same client
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renellen@subnetter@shitposter.world (2026-09-29 10:43:12)
@theorytoe @mischievoustomato @sam 

Yes XMPP can be a lot better but I would rather use that than Matrix. I use conversations and Gaijim and I haven't had issues with encryption lately. It used to happen more to me in the past.

Agreed on both sucking but either way normies are going to use Signal.