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woodland creature@meowski@fluf.club (2026-09-23 06:42:00)
@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun they absolutely do have reasoning abilities. computers excel at logic. they literally contain billions of logic circuits. abstract reasoning is an extension of that.
i will gladly look up the definition of intelligence for you: the simplest definition is "the ability to learn"
neural networks absolutely do learn, they can be "trained" with reinforcement learning.
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Jezza™@jeremiah@shitposter.world (2026-09-23 06:46:12)
@meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun in my opinion, you are making a semantic argument, hinging on the fact that words like "reason" and "intelligence" are appearing in two very distinct domains. The confusion between those domains is mainly a product of marketing.
Neural nets are not equivalent to brains, statistical "learning" on neural nets is not equivalent to reasoning, and the whole of it is not intelligence.
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woodland creature@meowski@fluf.club (2026-09-23 06:49:55)
@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun ok i didn't say AI was a brain, but brains *are* neural networks. it's more than semantics. also look at the definition of reason: "think, understand, and form judgements logically" the understand part is what's really in dispute. i would argue that understanding concepts is a requirement to engage in reasoning, and they demonstrate that ability.
forget about marketing. i'm looking at this purely from the perspective of what they can do. what useful work can they perform, based on my own experience.
Blurry Moon@sun@shitposter.world (2026-09-23 06:51:47)
@jeremiah @meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod computer neural nets are a mathematical approximation of a component of biological brains and the definitely do learn. they don't learn as well as a complex mammal brain because a mammal brain is a network of many neural nets dedicated to specific purposes. entire fruit fly brain has been simulated.