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Taylan (GNU+Feminism Cat)@taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org (2026-09-14 22:39:14)
@ignaloidas 

It's incredible that otherwise smart people can believe something as utterly insane as what you've just said. It's close to being a flat earther.

So you're advocating for the complete abolition of:

* Female-only sports
* Female-only restrooms
* Female-only locker rooms
* Female-only political groups

This is a return to medieval sexism.

Women won't be able partake in sports at all with the exception of a few tiny niches.

Many women will avoid traveling because they'll be scared about what might happen if they need to use the toilet. (See: "urinary leash." Historically known phenomenon before wide availability of female-only restrooms.)

Women generally won't be able to attend swimming pools, gyms, etc. unless they find some safe opportunity to change their clothes, because otherwise they'll need to get naked in front of male strangers.

Women won't be able to challenge any of this because any time they try to organise, men will barge in and say they're plotting evil schemes to exclude men. 

This is morally and intellectually on the same level as being a far-right extremist lunatic like Nick Fuentes. Do you not see how utterly insane it is? 

By the way, I don't decide who is and isn't a woman. Physical reality does.

I'm not excluding people with penises from whatever word we use to describe people with vulvas. It's a physical reality that these two different types of anatomy exist.

It's also a physical reality that members of the former group have very significant advantage in athletic performance, such that separation in sports becomes necessary if you want people in the latter group to be included in sports.

And it's a social reality that the former group endanger and bother the latter group to such an extent that separation becomes necessary.

You're drunk on insane theories whose application would lead to a complete exclusion of women from public life.

Get out of this extremist echo chamber man.

You're turning left/liberal politics into a
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Ignas Kiela@ignaloidas@not.acu.lt (2026-09-14 23:13:34)
@taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org 
So you're advocating for the complete abolition of:
* Female-only sports
Honestly, I'm against sports in general - at a high level it's mostly just a dumb competition of genetics in the end, these days training can only bring you to the level your genetics limit you to. And "who won the genetic lottery" is just an awful concept in the end.
* Female-only restrooms
I don't like traditional gender separated restrooms in general, more private gender neutral restrooms are just better, I'm like 10x more comfortable in them compared to male-only ones.
* Female-only locker rooms
Same argument as with restrooms - give more private, secure spaces and that's fine. I will be more comfortable too.
* Female-only political groups
Yes. I don't think it's healthy, just like male-only political groups aren't

You're assuming like I want that these things just disappeared and got replaced with nothing, where in actuality, they can be replaced with better solutions than we have today. The fact that we're doing things by gender roles these days is the limiting factor on how good things can be.

"Physical reality" is a very fun way to define things, because I haven't seen anything defining whether some matter is male or female in physics. The "physical reality" is your own definition, just like everything else, you're just trying to hide behind some "objective" definition to throw labels. Fun exercise: how would "physical reality" define what is a car and what isn't?

"Social reality" comes into stereotyping. You could make (and some people do make) the same arguments about racial minorities. How is this different from racism again?

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Blurry Moon@sun@shitposter.world (2026-09-14 23:16:37)
@ignaloidas @taylan > competition of genetics

at the pro level yes, everyone at that level maxes out their discipline and practice regimen so the only differentiator they can't max is genetics. not for like kids sports tho fwiw